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[GB] .Dead



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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:07 pm

well sed baity, and im not one of those people who thinks obama is gunna change the country overnight. its gonna take time i know and he knows it. in his winning speech he even sed things might not change in his first year or even his 2nd term it will take time. the fact is Bush fucked our country up so bad and it seems like he isnt sorry for anything he has done.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:42 pm

Well i'd argue but nothing i say is going to change anything. Obama is president and Bush is not. Time will only tell if obama is sucessful or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:47 pm

I'm not sure how many of you if any are familiar with the credit card commercials i'm going to parody to make a point, but hopefully the concept isn't lost on you.

Cost of life as a result of 9/11 attacks?: 2974, Price of famine in the world?: 16,000 children EVERY DAY, Putting things into perspective? Priceless

The amount of ignorance in this single thread is too much to debate and most likely would be a waste of time. However, one point is just too ridiculous to ignore. If you think Canada's public health care system and those in Europe isn't the way to go, I can only hope that you have to sit by and watch helplessly as someone you care about dies from a condition that modern medicine can treat merely because you and your family don't have the money to pay for that treatment.

Have a nice day.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:07 pm

ANY OF YOU GUYS HEARD THAT POET. GOLDEN
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:50 pm

nothing is ignorant about stating ones views. it's just many of billions of voices, some of which will never be heard.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:32 pm

Lol...As a Finance major...I think most of the people that stated Obama is a socialist are retarded, period. And the fact some are protecting Bush's views and decisions, even more retarded.

First of all, Obama will be lucky to even change the US' economy because it's so fucked up right now...Most of you don't even understand why the economy crashed, and if you think you do, you're most certainly wrong. I won't go in much detail, but there were a lot of factors involved, most from which were bad decisions taken by Bush and the laws he put into motion. Obama can't promise anything because the situation is much too complicated for a mere politician to solve. The crash isn't something that just magically happened over night...It took years and a lot of financial analysts saw it coming...I'm just surprised the Bush administration didn't.

Now according to socialism..Taxes are important? The real definiton of socialism states that it's not the government that owns everything, but the public.

Canada has way more social programs than in the States and you people who dread that, I find are mentally challenged. Our health care system is far from the best, but at least it's free. Education as well is part of our social programs, and a lot of immigrants, including US citizens, come to Canada to study because it's ten times cheaper than in the States.

Why should we not tax the rich? Pure capitalism would destroy the economy. Imagine only having a handful of people that are rich and the rest are on the streets dying of hunger and such. Part of the reason why the US economy crashed is because of capitalism and the problems it brings. Agency is a major issue here. Agency is when an employee works for himself rather than the owner of the organization. Because of the numerous CEOs and managers that would divert the money of the organization into their pockets, and still pay themselves a lump sum of money as a bonus instead of reinvesting it in R&D caused the US crash along with nemurous other factors as I previously stated.

I just find the amount of ignorance as max clearly stated is unbelievable. People here don't know what the hell they're taking about. But carry on, I find it really funny and interesting. It's funny how people can be so easily brainwashed.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:31 pm

ignorance is inevitable no one can know everything
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:03 pm

Guess what guys the inaugaration already happened. CLOSE THIS SHIT
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:20 pm

here we have a choice to make besides our government making the choice for us. if we can't afford something the government is not going to pity us and buy it for us because that's the price we pray for certain freedoms. whether we choose to defend a president or not is entitled to us. only those who feel the need to insult obviously don't have much of a mind themselves. freedom isn't free, and it's definitely not handed down to us by the government on a silver platter. socialism is the government owning pretty much everything. they have the money, the power, and whatever they say goes. the public are the recievers, not the doers. they only do what they have to do to get their paycheck and let the government handle the rest. i'm proud to be american and have the freedoms i have. if it means i can't afford certain luxuries then so be it. i'll work for what i want, and i'll take full advantage of every single right the united states has to offer to me. capitalism prevails. choose to slur more insults, that is your right and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. and whether or not obama is right for our country, we can only learn this through the next 4 years.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:43 am

$treeTFightA wrote:
Lol...As a Finance major...I think most of the people that stated Obama is a socialist are retarded, period. And the fact some are protecting Bush's views and decisions, even more retarded.

First of all, Obama will be lucky to even change the US' economy because it's so fucked up right now...Most of you don't even understand why the economy crashed, and if you think you do, you're most certainly wrong. I won't go in much detail, but there were a lot of factors involved, most from which were bad decisions taken by Bush and the laws he put into motion. Obama can't promise anything because the situation is much too complicated for a mere politician to solve. The crash isn't something that just magically happened over night...It took years and a lot of financial analysts saw it coming...I'm just surprised the Bush administration didn't.

Now according to socialism..Taxes are important? The real definiton of socialism states that it's not the government that owns everything, but the public.

Canada has way more social programs than in the States and you people who dread that, I find are mentally challenged. Our health care system is far from the best, but at least it's free. Education as well is part of our social programs, and a lot of immigrants, including US citizens, come to Canada to study because it's ten times cheaper than in the States.

Why should we not tax the rich? Pure capitalism would destroy the economy. Imagine only having a handful of people that are rich and the rest are on the streets dying of hunger and such. Part of the reason why the US economy crashed is because of capitalism and the problems it brings. Agency is a major issue here. Agency is when an employee works for himself rather than the owner of the organization. Because of the numerous CEOs and managers that would divert the money of the organization into their pockets, and still pay themselves a lump sum of money as a bonus instead of reinvesting it in R&D caused the US crash along with nemurous other factors as I previously stated.

I just find the amount of ignorance as max clearly stated is unbelievable. People here don't know what the hell they're taking about. But carry on, I find it really funny and interesting. It's funny how people can be so easily brainwashed.

1.Nothing could be further from the truth. The problem was the clinton administration passed a bill that made lax requirments for banks to lend to people who could ony afford to live in a trailer (or garbage can) to purchase houses that they could not possibly afford, so that anyone could get one even if your credit is shit. no im not a "republican" i hate bush he should have fixed this when he was in office. 2. yes socialism does state that but its still run by the government (mainly into the ground). 3. I dont know if you noticed or not but "rich" people employ people, they create jobs. why tax rich people much more when there the ones giving you a job? if anything they should cut corporate taxes so that more jobs would be created. 4. If government didnt get involved capitalism would work and this crisis would have never of happened this "housing bubble" happend because you morons in america wouldnt take the recession after the dot com bubble burst. congrats now your going into a depression! yeah socialism and lack of government intervention works!?! (freedie and fannie) government sponsored companies. so now the government owns parts of these companies YAY!!!! im sure they will do a great job running it.(sarcasm) see the truth is the only thing the government is good at is taxing people there useless for everything else. and another thing why should the government or the "people" (socialism) tell anyone what they should be paid? you want the government telling you how much money you can earn? i didnt think so. so why should the government or anyone else tell CEO's of companies how much money they can make? shouldnt it be up to there share holders? the only one's brainwashed are you obambots, believeing in his "change" the only change your going to recieve though is socialism a depression and a soviet-style redistribution of wealth(THATS THE KIND OF "CHANGE" I WAS HOPING FOR!!! YAY!!!). mainly because of his stupid tax policies for businesses who employ people and lets not forget the new "bailout" which will do nothing but cause inflation and put you further in debt.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:12 am

no one can judge obama yet what is it his third day? nice try raiden and taxing people who make a lot money isnt socialism lmao. don't businesses get taxed seperately from people?? obama wants to raise taxes on people who make more than 250,000 a year, THEY CAN LIVE WITH THAT. what are you gonna do tax the people who dont make shit? lol obama might not be able to fix things but atleast hes gonna try some different shit, bush just sat there with his head up his ass, any change from these last 8 years is welcome change and the american people have made their decision on who they want to make that change
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:45 pm

Raiden..I think you need to go back to school bud....Because everything you typed right there is complete and utter bullshit...you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

-Firstly, I'm Canadian and not American.
-Secondly, you're just stating what the news said about the crash, there are more factors than just the banks lending money to people knowing they won't be able to pay back. Not my fault if your banks aren't as protected as ours in Canada. Funny how Americans think Canada is good for nothing, yet our financial institutions along with the economy is still ten times better than the United States.
-Thirdly, you should all reread what socialism is...Both Canada and the US are part socialist, Canada more than the US however.
-Fourthly, why tax rich people? Because they have the money. No point taxing poor people because that would bring your economy to the ground. Rich people aren't the real consumers, infact they hardly buy anything. Capitalism relies utterly on the poor buying things in order to spur the economy. If you tax the poor, they won't have any money to buy things, businesses hence rich people go out of business, government goes bankrupt and byebye economy.
Fifthly, I don't think you even grasp the importance of the agency problem. A corporation is useless without it's line workers and different levels of managers. In Japan, for every dollar a line worker makes, the executives make $20. In Europe, $80. In the United States however, for every $1 the line worker makes, the executives make more than 400 times that. It's just riduculous considering the organization wouldn't be manufacturing products without their line workers. If you understand this, the CEOs are making your companies go bankrupt, not the government nor other factors.

PS. China is socialist and they're going to own the US pretty soon. I like how you guys think the government fucks everything up in an economy when you don't even understand how it works. Oh and the government is the biggest employer, not the companies bud.
I also believe that it's Sweden or Switzerland that taxes citizens 75% of their salary, yet they havet he best social programs and such in the world and doing great. If I follow your logic, I believe you would think that they're communist? rofl

And Acid, capitalism doesn't work and communism doesn't work. Socialism however is a blend of both, more communism than capitalism, but still a mix.
"socialism is the government owning pretty much everything. they have the money, the power, and whatever they say goes. the public are the recievers, not the doers. they only do what they have to do to get their paycheck and let the government handle the rest." Please tell me what you have done recently to manage the nation's assets. Last time I checked, you just vote once every four years, go to work, get your paycheck and let the government handle the rest. Please stop contradicting yourself, you're talking shit about something that you do every single day of your life.


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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:13 pm

He's prolly gonna get assassinated and then United States will go into a racial war, and everyone will probably die. drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:46 pm

the whole point of capitalism is to make money and advance in your career. it allows people to choose what goes on and if we have the ambition, we can go as high as we want, without government intervention. the only reason why now our government is part socialist is because over half the office is full of extreme lefties. i'm only defending my views. each person has their idea of the perfect america and i doubt i'll ever let a socialist canadaian and any socialist to that matter sway my opinion. like i said before, give it 4 years and we'll see what people have to say about Obama then. we can go back and forth until we're blue in the face, hardly will change anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:27 pm

i think i said that in fewer words a long time ago. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:50 am

The way you're talking about capitalism is like abolishing everything else and having a 100% capitalist economy....That shit doesn't work. PERIOD.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:17 am

If u would just elect me as president i would fix all the problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:36 pm

sparky wrote:
If u would just elect me as president i would fix create all the problems.



2/3 Appove of Obama's Start



And some really nice photos from the day.

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PostSubject: Re: Inauguration   Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:11 pm

Why you type in yellow? You think your special or something? Well your not!
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